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	<title>Comments on: PTN</title>
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		<title>By: Viewmaster1977</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/11/14/ptn/#comment-15277</link>
		<dc:creator>Viewmaster1977</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been to that site and I watched a few of their live shows. It&#039;s ok. Better than some of the crap I see on television. There are strange people everywhere, not just in the paranormal. 

You are wrong about them not having skeptics on. They had one skeptic on there who tore up the ghost divas for having some flake in their group who molested kids. He had the court papers I saw them on his site. They didn&#039;t deny it instead they defended the guy. Instead of agree that people should be given background checks before they can go into peoples homes they chose to support the creep (Reverend Robert Hunnicutt aka Bob who plead GUILTY of molesting his small daughter and spent a couple years in jail for it). I made a mental note to never let any of those people around my kids or my kids friends. My sons are both adults and love that paranormal junk. I will take strange entertainment over disgusting sicko any day of the week.

If you posted that sites images without their consent you may be setting yourself up for a lawsuit. We can post our opinions all we like, freedom of speech covers that. Use trademarked site material and logos you may find you barked up the wrong tree. Just a bit of advice. Great site you have here. Always interesting stuff to be found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been to that site and I watched a few of their live shows. It&#8217;s ok. Better than some of the crap I see on television. There are strange people everywhere, not just in the paranormal. </p>
<p>You are wrong about them not having skeptics on. They had one skeptic on there who tore up the ghost divas for having some flake in their group who molested kids. He had the court papers I saw them on his site. They didn&#8217;t deny it instead they defended the guy. Instead of agree that people should be given background checks before they can go into peoples homes they chose to support the creep (Reverend Robert Hunnicutt aka Bob who plead GUILTY of molesting his small daughter and spent a couple years in jail for it). I made a mental note to never let any of those people around my kids or my kids friends. My sons are both adults and love that paranormal junk. I will take strange entertainment over disgusting sicko any day of the week.</p>
<p>If you posted that sites images without their consent you may be setting yourself up for a lawsuit. We can post our opinions all we like, freedom of speech covers that. Use trademarked site material and logos you may find you barked up the wrong tree. Just a bit of advice. Great site you have here. Always interesting stuff to be found.</p>
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		<title>By: kabol</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/11/14/ptn/#comment-15057</link>
		<dc:creator>kabol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>banner days ahead, no doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>banner days ahead, no doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/11/14/ptn/#comment-14988</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Discovery Health, the channel that aired the first season of &quot;Jon &amp; Kate Plus 8&quot;, will be replaced by the Oprah Winfrey Network (OWN).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discovery Health, the channel that aired the first season of &#8220;Jon &amp; Kate Plus 8&#8243;, will be replaced by the Oprah Winfrey Network (OWN).</p>
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		<title>By: kabol</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/11/14/ptn/#comment-14932</link>
		<dc:creator>kabol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah, the hair - the clothes - the white powder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah, the hair &#8211; the clothes &#8211; the white powder.</p>
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		<title>By: kabol</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/11/14/ptn/#comment-14931</link>
		<dc:creator>kabol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i suppose it&#039;s no better or worse than all of the religion channels disgracing the airwaves.  pretty much the same thing, actually.  

catering, in the media, to beliefs and superstitions simply for the almighty dollar (ratings/advertising/promotional revenue) is not a new thing.  it&#039;s a disgraceful thing, but not new.

at least we have the Science Channel and it was here before PTN.  why haven&#039;t THEY picked up skeptologists????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i suppose it&#8217;s no better or worse than all of the religion channels disgracing the airwaves.  pretty much the same thing, actually.  </p>
<p>catering, in the media, to beliefs and superstitions simply for the almighty dollar (ratings/advertising/promotional revenue) is not a new thing.  it&#8217;s a disgraceful thing, but not new.</p>
<p>at least we have the Science Channel and it was here before PTN.  why haven&#8217;t THEY picked up skeptologists????</p>
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		<title>By: kabol</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/11/14/ptn/#comment-14930</link>
		<dc:creator>kabol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s actually one of the first things that popped into my head - that maybe they&#039;d pick up skeptologists.

but then i woke up, and was sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s actually one of the first things that popped into my head &#8211; that maybe they&#8217;d pick up skeptologists.</p>
<p>but then i woke up, and was sad.</p>
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		<title>By: kabol</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/11/14/ptn/#comment-14929</link>
		<dc:creator>kabol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;...does everyone who watches these programs actually believe whole-heartedly in the paranormal? &lt;/em&gt;

if you&#039;ve been to any of these shows&#039; internet discussion boards you&#039;d see that a good many of them do.  with unmitigated fervor.

poor sods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8230;does everyone who watches these programs actually believe whole-heartedly in the paranormal? </em></p>
<p>if you&#8217;ve been to any of these shows&#8217; internet discussion boards you&#8217;d see that a good many of them do.  with unmitigated fervor.</p>
<p>poor sods.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/11/14/ptn/#comment-14884</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The burden of proof lies on those that make the proposition.&quot;

That&#039;s right, you could&#039;ve asked Mark for proof, though the post would&#039;ve looked weak.

&quot;There is no reason to badmouth America or Fox in this blog, it is the non-sequitor.&quot;

If it was a lame pot shot, I agree. If Mark has been around the world and really does see America as an exception, it&#039;s a valid point that&#039;s worth discussing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The burden of proof lies on those that make the proposition.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right, you could&#8217;ve asked Mark for proof, though the post would&#8217;ve looked weak.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is no reason to badmouth America or Fox in this blog, it is the non-sequitor.&#8221;</p>
<p>If it was a lame pot shot, I agree. If Mark has been around the world and really does see America as an exception, it&#8217;s a valid point that&#8217;s worth discussing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/11/14/ptn/#comment-14883</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The burden of proof lies on those that make the proposition.  If you say that America is unique in believing in the paranormal, you have to prove that (and I did provide evidence that paranormal crap exists on foreign TV).  If you say that Fox News is a propaganda outfit, you have to prove it.  You are taking the process of reason and throwing it in reverse.  You do not assume things to be true until other people can prove that they are not.  The default position is not believing anything and then you come to believe things when they are objectively proven.  Again though, missing the point.  There is no reason to badmouth America or Fox in this blog, it is the non-sequitor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The burden of proof lies on those that make the proposition.  If you say that America is unique in believing in the paranormal, you have to prove that (and I did provide evidence that paranormal crap exists on foreign TV).  If you say that Fox News is a propaganda outfit, you have to prove it.  You are taking the process of reason and throwing it in reverse.  You do not assume things to be true until other people can prove that they are not.  The default position is not believing anything and then you come to believe things when they are objectively proven.  Again though, missing the point.  There is no reason to badmouth America or Fox in this blog, it is the non-sequitor.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/11/14/ptn/#comment-14882</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point is that your counterarguments were non-sequiturs. Instead of arguing that America has church-state separation, show that a paranormal TV network either exists in other countries or would be popular there. Instead of arguing that Fox News debunks some paranormal claims, explain why &quot;Fox-news style&quot; should not connote bias and propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is that your counterarguments were non-sequiturs. Instead of arguing that America has church-state separation, show that a paranormal TV network either exists in other countries or would be popular there. Instead of arguing that Fox News debunks some paranormal claims, explain why &#8220;Fox-news style&#8221; should not connote bias and propaganda.</p>
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