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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/09/08/science-and-the-power-of-humanity/#comment-13250</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was pretty ordinary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was pretty ordinary</p>
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		<title>By: SicPreFix</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/09/08/science-and-the-power-of-humanity/#comment-12883</link>
		<dc:creator>SicPreFix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 01:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter said:

&quot;... even if you assume your (patently ridiculous) assertion that advertising somehow takes over people’s brains and forces them to buy things they don’t want or need....&quot;

Yes, that would be ridiculous. If that were my assertion. But that is not my assertion.

&quot;... how does your position not apply even worse to government?&quot;

To be fair to you, you are right, I don&#039;t think my position does not apply to government.

While I am clearly not a supporter of Libertarianism, nor in general libertarians, neither am I a supporter of the familiar machinations, deceits, and generally mendacious process of government.

Unfortunately, I am niether so learned, nor so wise, nor politically creative enough to posit something better. I can only speak to what I perceive as wrong-headed political ideas.

That being said, I do (naivley no doubt) believe that the democratic process, if it were carried out with a reasonable level of honesty and legitimate representation would be a far better process than what I perceive to be the political process of what I&#039;ve read about Libertarianism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter said:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; even if you assume your (patently ridiculous) assertion that advertising somehow takes over people’s brains and forces them to buy things they don’t want or need&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, that would be ridiculous. If that were my assertion. But that is not my assertion.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; how does your position not apply even worse to government?&#8221;</p>
<p>To be fair to you, you are right, I don&#8217;t think my position does not apply to government.</p>
<p>While I am clearly not a supporter of Libertarianism, nor in general libertarians, neither am I a supporter of the familiar machinations, deceits, and generally mendacious process of government.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I am niether so learned, nor so wise, nor politically creative enough to posit something better. I can only speak to what I perceive as wrong-headed political ideas.</p>
<p>That being said, I do (naivley no doubt) believe that the democratic process, if it were carried out with a reasonable level of honesty and legitimate representation would be a far better process than what I perceive to be the political process of what I&#8217;ve read about Libertarianism.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/09/08/science-and-the-power-of-humanity/#comment-12873</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 01:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SicPreFix: whatever; even if you assume your (patently ridiculous) assertion that advertising somehow takes over people&#039;s brains and forces them to buy things they don&#039;t want or need (though I can&#039;t for the life of me remember the last time I went out and bought myself a Barbie doll or a bottle of Round-Up, say, though I see both advertised often enough..somehow the former only seems to affect the brains of young girls and latter those of farmers) and otherwise put the worst possible spin on things, how does your position not apply even worse to government?  (They even advertise, around elections!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SicPreFix: whatever; even if you assume your (patently ridiculous) assertion that advertising somehow takes over people&#8217;s brains and forces them to buy things they don&#8217;t want or need (though I can&#8217;t for the life of me remember the last time I went out and bought myself a Barbie doll or a bottle of Round-Up, say, though I see both advertised often enough..somehow the former only seems to affect the brains of young girls and latter those of farmers) and otherwise put the worst possible spin on things, how does your position not apply even worse to government?  (They even advertise, around elections!)</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/09/08/science-and-the-power-of-humanity/#comment-12858</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sounds good in theory, but how easy is it to do something as simple as closing your Facebook account after you’ve accumulated a large network of friends?&lt;/i&gt;

No idea.  No problem for me: I don&#039;t have a Facebook account.  If there&#039;s no way to close your account, you can always just stop logging in.  What does this have to do with the topic?

&lt;i&gt;Well, the government draws the line where monopolization starts doing more harm than good.&lt;/i&gt;

Google the works of Dominick Armentano :)

&lt;i&gt;Without it, there’s no reason why a mini-monopoly can’t grow into a huge monopoly,&lt;/i&gt;

Monopoly, in the sense you mean, is &lt;i&gt;caused&lt;/i&gt; by government.  Without it, it couldn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;exist&lt;/i&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;just as a local warlord in an anarchy can grow his tribe until he becomes a dictator.&lt;/i&gt;

Umm...&quot;anarchy&quot; means there are &quot;no rulers&quot; -- if there&#039;s a &quot;warlord&quot;, it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; anarchy, by definition!  In this non-anarchy with the warlord, why do his tribe follow him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sounds good in theory, but how easy is it to do something as simple as closing your Facebook account after you’ve accumulated a large network of friends?</i></p>
<p>No idea.  No problem for me: I don&#8217;t have a Facebook account.  If there&#8217;s no way to close your account, you can always just stop logging in.  What does this have to do with the topic?</p>
<p><i>Well, the government draws the line where monopolization starts doing more harm than good.</i></p>
<p>Google the works of Dominick Armentano :)</p>
<p><i>Without it, there’s no reason why a mini-monopoly can’t grow into a huge monopoly,</i></p>
<p>Monopoly, in the sense you mean, is <i>caused</i> by government.  Without it, it couldn&#8217;t <i>exist</i>.</p>
<p><i>just as a local warlord in an anarchy can grow his tribe until he becomes a dictator.</i></p>
<p>Umm&#8230;&#8221;anarchy&#8221; means there are &#8220;no rulers&#8221; &#8212; if there&#8217;s a &#8220;warlord&#8221;, it&#8217;s <i>not</i> anarchy, by definition!  In this non-anarchy with the warlord, why do his tribe follow him?</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/09/08/science-and-the-power-of-humanity/#comment-12852</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter,
&lt;blockquote&gt;But you get to vote for or against corporations on a daily basis through your decisions about what to buy or not buy, and you have complete choice among the available options.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sounds good in theory, but how easy is it to do something as simple as closing your Facebook account after you&#039;ve accumulated a large network of friends?

&lt;blockquote&gt;and if you draw the lines in the right places, there’s no such thing as not-monopoly anyway&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, the government draws the line where monopolization starts doing more harm than good. Without it, there&#039;s no reason why a mini-monopoly can&#039;t grow into a huge monopoly, just as a local warlord in an anarchy can grow his tribe until he becomes a dictator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,</p>
<blockquote><p>But you get to vote for or against corporations on a daily basis through your decisions about what to buy or not buy, and you have complete choice among the available options.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds good in theory, but how easy is it to do something as simple as closing your Facebook account after you&#8217;ve accumulated a large network of friends?</p>
<blockquote><p>and if you draw the lines in the right places, there’s no such thing as not-monopoly anyway</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, the government draws the line where monopolization starts doing more harm than good. Without it, there&#8217;s no reason why a mini-monopoly can&#8217;t grow into a huge monopoly, just as a local warlord in an anarchy can grow his tribe until he becomes a dictator.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/09/08/science-and-the-power-of-humanity/#comment-12847</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most leading scientists don&#039;t, and in my book of logical fallacies, argument from authority beats ad populum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most leading scientists don&#8217;t, and in my book of logical fallacies, argument from authority beats ad populum.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Stein</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/09/08/science-and-the-power-of-humanity/#comment-12804</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;we haven’t seen any good evidence of such an advanced alien intelligence&quot;

Most other people do. It&#039;s the Biblical God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;we haven’t seen any good evidence of such an advanced alien intelligence&#8221;</p>
<p>Most other people do. It&#8217;s the Biblical God.</p>
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		<title>By: tmac57</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/09/08/science-and-the-power-of-humanity/#comment-12792</link>
		<dc:creator>tmac57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob, after your last post it is now clear to me that you are being deliberately obtuse, and there is no further point in engaging in a debate with you. Your counter arguments display intellectual dishonesty, at worst and reading comprehension problems at best. Good luck to any others who try to reason with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob, after your last post it is now clear to me that you are being deliberately obtuse, and there is no further point in engaging in a debate with you. Your counter arguments display intellectual dishonesty, at worst and reading comprehension problems at best. Good luck to any others who try to reason with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/09/08/science-and-the-power-of-humanity/#comment-12790</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Shermer&#039;s &quot;Last Law&quot; states that &quot;Any sufficiently advanced alien intelligence is indistinguishable from God.&quot;

However, we haven&#039;t seen any good evidence of such an advanced alien intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Shermer&#8217;s &#8220;Last Law&#8221; states that &#8220;Any sufficiently advanced alien intelligence is indistinguishable from God.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, we haven&#8217;t seen any good evidence of such an advanced alien intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Stein</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/09/08/science-and-the-power-of-humanity/#comment-12789</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atheism denies the existence of any intelligent being other than man? I haven&#039;t heard that one before. Sources?

And if atheists will accept the existence of intelligent extra-terrestrials, then where does one draw the line between them and a &quot;god&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atheism denies the existence of any intelligent being other than man? I haven&#8217;t heard that one before. Sources?</p>
<p>And if atheists will accept the existence of intelligent extra-terrestrials, then where does one draw the line between them and a &#8220;god&#8221;?</p>
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