Comments on: Texas science standards wrapup: Yup. Doomed. http://skepticblog.org/2009/04/01/texas-science-standards-wrapup-yup-doomed/ The official blog of the Skeptologists Wed, 08 Sep 2010 22:42:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Jeshua http://skepticblog.org/2009/04/01/texas-science-standards-wrapup-yup-doomed/#comment-5706 Jeshua Fri, 24 Apr 2009 03:30:11 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1766#comment-5706 Andy, Andy! Were you home-schooled by any chance? As many people have pointed out before, there is a huge insurmountable problem with your suggestion "that we teach both theories in public schools." First of all, and i think most significant, there IS NO theory of creationism. No research was done. No concrete proof has been offered. No testing of the theory in the real world has been conducted. The only thing that really "proves" creationism is an ancient book of myths, long discredited as a legitimate source for science, or even history. Evolution, on the other hand, has a long history of development, discoveries and adjustments in the theory. There is simply no appropriate platform for comparing a faith-based idea with a scientific theory. Andy, Andy! Were you home-schooled by any chance?
As many people have pointed out before, there is a huge insurmountable problem with your suggestion “that we teach both theories in public schools.” First of all, and i think most significant, there IS NO theory of creationism. No research was done. No concrete proof has been offered. No testing of the theory in the real world has been conducted. The only thing that really “proves” creationism is an ancient book of myths, long discredited as a legitimate source for science, or even history. Evolution, on the other hand, has a long history of development, discoveries and adjustments in the theory. There is simply no appropriate platform for comparing a faith-based idea with a scientific theory.

]]> By: Andy Wilkins http://skepticblog.org/2009/04/01/texas-science-standards-wrapup-yup-doomed/#comment-5319 Andy Wilkins Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:36:47 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1766#comment-5319 No sarcasm here tmac57. I was just offering a sincere opinion and asking sincere questions. I wanted to let everyone know that I believe in creation and I don't think science is bad. I honestly believe that science can be used to and would prove creation if all facts are taken into account. I also wanted to make known that all creationists are not narrow minded in believing that the earth is only 6,000 years old. I happen to believe that if scientifc fact has proven that the earth is 13.7 billion years old, we creationists should accept the truth. We as creationists do not have to be afraid of truth and feel that if the facts don't fit inside our box of understanding then they are incorrect. I also, want to suggest that we teach both theories in public schools presenting all data and allow the students to decide for themselves how the data fits together. What harm could come of this? Check out this video and see what you think...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU9_YcfnMtE. Thanks, Andy No sarcasm here tmac57. I was just offering a sincere opinion and asking sincere questions. I wanted to let everyone know that I believe in creation and I don’t think science is bad. I honestly believe that science can be used to and would prove creation if all facts are taken into account. I also wanted to make known that all creationists are not narrow minded in believing that the earth is only 6,000 years old. I happen to believe that if scientifc fact has proven that the earth is 13.7 billion years old, we creationists should accept the truth. We as creationists do not have to be afraid of truth and feel that if the facts don’t fit inside our box of understanding then they are incorrect. I also, want to suggest that we teach both theories in public schools presenting all data and allow the students to decide for themselves how the data fits together. What harm could come of this? Check out this video and see what you think…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU9_YcfnMtE.

Thanks,

Andy

]]> By: tmac57 http://skepticblog.org/2009/04/01/texas-science-standards-wrapup-yup-doomed/#comment-5294 tmac57 Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:20:45 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1766#comment-5294 Andy Wilkins- This is satire, right? There is no way you would come to this blog with such lame arguments unless you were pulling our collective legs. Andy Wilkins- This is satire, right? There is no way you would come to this blog with such lame arguments unless you were pulling our collective legs.

]]> By: Andy Wilkins http://skepticblog.org/2009/04/01/texas-science-standards-wrapup-yup-doomed/#comment-5293 Andy Wilkins Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:50:42 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1766#comment-5293 Well, I happen to believe that evolution is just as much a theory as you think creation by intelligent design is and I feel that it needs to be presented as such, "a theory". Honestly think about this, just because new fossils are found that show similarities in species and are believed to be missing links to evolutionary development doesn't prove that evolution is fact. Did it ever occur to you that God may have created more than one similar species that we have just never discovered existed yet? If evolution were a fact, why are apes not evolving into humans as we speak? It is because God created apes and God created humans...they look kind of similar and sometimes act alike...haha...but they are not the same. Why is it so important to believe that we used to be apes? What kind of value does that put on the human life? Not much...that is the kind of thinking that leads to depression, low self worth, suicide, and abortion on demand. As far as lumping all creationists into a narrow bucket of believing the earth has to be 6,000 years old...that is very narrow minded in itself. Come on people what are we afraid of here? Can't we all be open minded enough to search for the real truth? I am a creationist and I am not afraid of scientific fact. But don't give me a bunch of assumptions about evolution. Give me hard core facts that can't be disproven. Bring it on. I want the truth here! Because I believe if we were truly honest and not just trying to prove our own point, we would come to the conclusion that there is no other possibility other than God created heaven and earth and all that is in it for His purposes. I believe there is a God out there that loves us all and that is what we are missing in our lives...Him! Well, I happen to believe that evolution is just as much a theory as you think creation by intelligent design is and I feel that it needs to be presented as such, “a theory”. Honestly think about this, just because new fossils are found that show similarities in species and are believed to be missing links to evolutionary development doesn’t prove that evolution is fact. Did it ever occur to you that God may have created more than one similar species that we have just never discovered existed yet? If evolution were a fact, why are apes not evolving into humans as we speak? It is because God created apes and God created humans…they look kind of similar and sometimes act alike…haha…but they are not the same. Why is it so important to believe that we used to be apes? What kind of value does that put on the human life? Not much…that is the kind of thinking that leads to depression, low self worth, suicide, and abortion on demand.

As far as lumping all creationists into a narrow bucket of believing the earth has to be 6,000 years old…that is very narrow minded in itself. Come on people what are we afraid of here? Can’t we all be open minded enough to search for the real truth? I am a creationist and I am not afraid of scientific fact. But don’t give me a bunch of assumptions about evolution. Give me hard core facts that can’t be disproven. Bring it on. I want the truth here! Because I believe if we were truly honest and not just trying to prove our own point, we would come to the conclusion that there is no other possibility other than God created heaven and earth and all that is in it for His purposes. I believe there is a God out there that loves us all and that is what we are missing in our lives…Him!

]]> By: Roger Schlueter http://skepticblog.org/2009/04/01/texas-science-standards-wrapup-yup-doomed/#comment-5138 Roger Schlueter Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:07:22 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1766#comment-5138 Humanity Blues @19: Not quite correct. The Dover court record shows that the word "creationism" was inartfully replaced by "intelligent design". The word "God" did not appear in any version. Humanity Blues @19: Not quite correct. The Dover court record shows that the word “creationism” was inartfully replaced by “intelligent design”. The word “God” did not appear in any version.

]]> By: JWC http://skepticblog.org/2009/04/01/texas-science-standards-wrapup-yup-doomed/#comment-5106 JWC Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:01:06 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1766#comment-5106 There are legitimate scientists who question the role that CO2 plays in the current warming of the Earth. Please don't cheapen their dissent by lumping them in with creationists. There are legitimate scientists who question the role that CO2 plays in the current warming of the Earth. Please don’t cheapen their dissent by lumping them in with creationists.

]]> By: Humanity Blues http://skepticblog.org/2009/04/01/texas-science-standards-wrapup-yup-doomed/#comment-5091 Humanity Blues Mon, 06 Apr 2009 07:49:32 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1766#comment-5091 I actually had the privilege of attending a lecture by the lawyer from the famous Pennsylvania case dealing with Intelligent Design. It doesn't matter what guise they use, this has everything to do with creationism no matter what language they use. As an illustrative example, the main book on intelligent design (I believe put out by the Discovery Institute) called "Pandas and People" was an exact rehash of creationist books from the 1980s. They simply took out the word "God" and inserted "Intelligent Designer". That's in the court record. I actually had the privilege of attending a lecture by the lawyer from the famous Pennsylvania case dealing with Intelligent Design. It doesn’t matter what guise they use, this has everything to do with creationism no matter what language they use. As an illustrative example, the main book on intelligent design (I believe put out by the Discovery Institute) called “Pandas and People” was an exact rehash of creationist books from the 1980s. They simply took out the word “God” and inserted “Intelligent Designer”. That’s in the court record.

]]> By: thenunnery http://skepticblog.org/2009/04/01/texas-science-standards-wrapup-yup-doomed/#comment-5075 thenunnery Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:58:53 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1766#comment-5075 Max: I'm guessing/hoping(!) you are living somewhere with poor news reporting about the UK. There is no move to replace textbooks with the Koran in Britain, there is no discussion of this in the mainstream media, there has been lots of good media coverage of Darwin day etc. There is a small movement supporting faith schools in a very small and insignificant way. The National Curriculum includes evolution, and evolution is alive and kicking in the country of Darwin and Dawkins thank you very much! Max: I’m guessing/hoping(!) you are living somewhere with poor news reporting about the UK. There is no move to replace textbooks with the Koran in Britain, there is no discussion of this in the mainstream media, there has been lots of good media coverage of Darwin day etc. There is a small movement supporting faith schools in a very small and insignificant way. The National Curriculum includes evolution, and evolution is alive and kicking in the country of Darwin and Dawkins thank you very much!

]]> By: Max http://skepticblog.org/2009/04/01/texas-science-standards-wrapup-yup-doomed/#comment-5067 Max Sat, 04 Apr 2009 00:09:44 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1766#comment-5067 "That would never happen here"? Well, Canada's science minister is a Creationist, and Britain is heading toward replacing textbooks with the Koran, so yeah, spoken too soon. “That would never happen here”?
Well, Canada’s science minister is a Creationist, and Britain is heading toward replacing textbooks with the Koran, so yeah, spoken too soon.

]]> By: gwen http://skepticblog.org/2009/04/01/texas-science-standards-wrapup-yup-doomed/#comment-5015 gwen Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:41:58 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1766#comment-5015 This IS an April Fools day joke.....right???? Pleasse say yes, please say yes!! You're scaring me!!! You didn't say YES!!!!! This IS an April Fools day joke…..right???? Pleasse say yes, please say yes!! You’re scaring me!!! You didn’t say YES!!!!!

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