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	<title>Comments on: Consumer Rant &#8211; Oil Change Interval</title>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/02/22/oilchange-rant/#comment-18879</link>
		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 08:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its correct , the oil changes for eurapean cars are around 10 to 12,000 miles, or recomended full service
having lived in the states i was amazed by the 3,000 oil change but have done it, i had thought that due to the incleased climate. i, e flodida it required it
oil changes used to be recomended every six months or 6000 miles up until the late eighties
personaly if somone  is having piece of mind from paying 30$ every three months then there choice, you pays  your money,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its correct , the oil changes for eurapean cars are around 10 to 12,000 miles, or recomended full service<br />
having lived in the states i was amazed by the 3,000 oil change but have done it, i had thought that due to the incleased climate. i, e flodida it required it<br />
oil changes used to be recomended every six months or 6000 miles up until the late eighties<br />
personaly if somone  is having piece of mind from paying 30$ every three months then there choice, you pays  your money,</p>
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		<title>By: NakedMaintenance</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/02/22/oilchange-rant/#comment-16427</link>
		<dc:creator>NakedMaintenance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vendor lock-in? You can change your engine oil at 25,000 mile intervals if you use the appropriate oil and filter, but only one company among dozens actually has the brains and balls to manufacture and distribute such products, and you whine about vendor lock-in??!! Why don&#039;t you whine about the dozens of oil and filter manufacturers who make the lowest quality products they can get away with, and then snow-ball you into thinking they are doing you a favor? 
Yeah, it is vendor lock-in. They didn&#039;t pick to be the only ones providing the right stuff.... they just are. Lock me in all day long when the quality and marketing is right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vendor lock-in? You can change your engine oil at 25,000 mile intervals if you use the appropriate oil and filter, but only one company among dozens actually has the brains and balls to manufacture and distribute such products, and you whine about vendor lock-in??!! Why don&#8217;t you whine about the dozens of oil and filter manufacturers who make the lowest quality products they can get away with, and then snow-ball you into thinking they are doing you a favor?<br />
Yeah, it is vendor lock-in. They didn&#8217;t pick to be the only ones providing the right stuff&#8230;. they just are. Lock me in all day long when the quality and marketing is right.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Paulley</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/02/22/oilchange-rant/#comment-15944</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Paulley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great well thought out comment! You got my vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great well thought out comment! You got my vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/02/22/oilchange-rant/#comment-15807</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You tuned up my &#039;78 Toyota and changed the oil way back then (1978-80), but I was a lax customer from then on.  The car lasted 17 years nonetheless.  Thanks!  I traded it in on a 3-yr-old Acura Legend, which lasted 15 more years with relatively few oil changes.  I now have a 2003 BMW (purchased in 2008) and haven&#039;t had the oil changed yet, as my yearly mileage remains low.  I think I&#039;ll continue to take your advice that I&#039;ve adhered to for 30 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You tuned up my &#8216;78 Toyota and changed the oil way back then (1978-80), but I was a lax customer from then on.  The car lasted 17 years nonetheless.  Thanks!  I traded it in on a 3-yr-old Acura Legend, which lasted 15 more years with relatively few oil changes.  I now have a 2003 BMW (purchased in 2008) and haven&#8217;t had the oil changed yet, as my yearly mileage remains low.  I think I&#8217;ll continue to take your advice that I&#8217;ve adhered to for 30 years.</p>
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		<title>By: George Augustine</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/02/22/oilchange-rant/#comment-15602</link>
		<dc:creator>George Augustine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your thoughts and the results of your research.This is enlightening...keep them comming..:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts and the results of your research.This is enlightening&#8230;keep them comming..:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Carbon Boy</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/02/22/oilchange-rant/#comment-13753</link>
		<dc:creator>Carbon Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are way out there. You may as well drive a Prius. I&#039;ll keep pouring gas and money into my gas guzzling Hemi powered vehicle and feel good about it. I pay to live in this fine country and I, going to enjoy it while I am here. Some terrorist plot will ruin this world before the environment takes us out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are way out there. You may as well drive a Prius. I&#8217;ll keep pouring gas and money into my gas guzzling Hemi powered vehicle and feel good about it. I pay to live in this fine country and I, going to enjoy it while I am here. Some terrorist plot will ruin this world before the environment takes us out.</p>
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		<title>By: L505</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/02/22/oilchange-rant/#comment-11304</link>
		<dc:creator>L505</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote:&quot;Maybe just the fact that Americans seem to drive their cars quite a bit longer justifies the more frequent oil changes? Doubtful, but just a thought.&quot; 


Ughhhh, what?

If you drive the car longer, you put on more miles. Unless you are talking about running the engine in parking lots of long periods of time?

Driving highway miles where stuff is farther apart in USA is better for the engine. So this logic of yours fails, that USA should have some magic low 3000 number. If everything in USA is farther apart (more country roads and rural areas) then this should give USA folks and Canadian folks longer engine life, not shorter engine life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote:&#8221;Maybe just the fact that Americans seem to drive their cars quite a bit longer justifies the more frequent oil changes? Doubtful, but just a thought.&#8221; </p>
<p>Ughhhh, what?</p>
<p>If you drive the car longer, you put on more miles. Unless you are talking about running the engine in parking lots of long periods of time?</p>
<p>Driving highway miles where stuff is farther apart in USA is better for the engine. So this logic of yours fails, that USA should have some magic low 3000 number. If everything in USA is farther apart (more country roads and rural areas) then this should give USA folks and Canadian folks longer engine life, not shorter engine life.</p>
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		<title>By: L505</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/02/22/oilchange-rant/#comment-11303</link>
		<dc:creator>L505</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Everything is about economics, so if you expect a reasonable 250,000KM out of a vehicle I’d change the oil every 5000miles. No more than that.&quot;

Interesting that you pull some magic number (5000) out of a hat and apply it to all cars no matter what car it is. Sounds like pure B.S. to me. Sounds just like the &quot;every 3 months&quot; or &quot;every 3000&quot; magic B.S.

All the cars I&#039;ve owned with over 300K on them have had lots of other problems unrelated to dirty oil. For example, terrible rust and suspension issues, steering issues, transmission issues, these all can cause people to take a car to a scrap yard which has nothing to do with dirty engine oil.

Other times I&#039;ve seen cars go to the scrap yard because the engine just wouldn&#039;t start, and no one had time to fix it, and the car was rusty, and only worth a resale value of about $900 since it was old. Never have I seen a car been taken to a scrap yard due to an engine that seized because of dirty oil. Now of course there may be some cars which actually had seized engines due to dirty oil, but often it&#039;s because of a combination of other problems unrelated to the oil, like windsheilds, suspension, rust, computers, low resale value, ugly paint job, not starting after sitting for years, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Everything is about economics, so if you expect a reasonable 250,000KM out of a vehicle I’d change the oil every 5000miles. No more than that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting that you pull some magic number (5000) out of a hat and apply it to all cars no matter what car it is. Sounds like pure B.S. to me. Sounds just like the &#8220;every 3 months&#8221; or &#8220;every 3000&#8243; magic B.S.</p>
<p>All the cars I&#8217;ve owned with over 300K on them have had lots of other problems unrelated to dirty oil. For example, terrible rust and suspension issues, steering issues, transmission issues, these all can cause people to take a car to a scrap yard which has nothing to do with dirty engine oil.</p>
<p>Other times I&#8217;ve seen cars go to the scrap yard because the engine just wouldn&#8217;t start, and no one had time to fix it, and the car was rusty, and only worth a resale value of about $900 since it was old. Never have I seen a car been taken to a scrap yard due to an engine that seized because of dirty oil. Now of course there may be some cars which actually had seized engines due to dirty oil, but often it&#8217;s because of a combination of other problems unrelated to the oil, like windsheilds, suspension, rust, computers, low resale value, ugly paint job, not starting after sitting for years, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: L505</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/02/22/oilchange-rant/#comment-11301</link>
		<dc:creator>L505</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s more important to keep an eye on the oil level than it is to change oil. Most people forget to top up the oil at gas stations when you are filling up. The owners manual usually says for you to check your oil each time you fill up with gas, or similar. I&#039;d guess 1 out of 450,000 people actually check their oil level at every gas station fill up!

What happens when people don&#039;t change the oil is that the oil level goes down, especially on older cars. It can go down one half a litre or one litre after 3000-10000 miles.  When this happens significant damage to the engine can occur. Not because the oil is dirty usually, but because the engine is starved. At least this is my experience - the only engines I&#039;ve seen go bad are ones that have had coolant in the oil, or engines that have had the oil level go down way too low.

If you check your oil level frequently you can also monitor how dirty the oil is, and you can monitor for head gasket problems (coolant in oil).

In my opinion it is better to monitor the oil level than to change the oil. Also one can smell gas in the oil when checking it frequently.

If you top up the oil, you add new oil to the engine which dilutes the old oil. True that the old oil is still there, and true that if you are diluting the oil that much then you must have an engine in bad shape, but you still are diluting the oil making it cleaner than it was before.

I have had cars in the family that have had oil changes every 3 months regardless of kilometres, and all those cars lasted long (over 200,000km) except for the one that lost half a litre of oil due to a leak out the dipstick seal! This particular car, even though oil was changed every 3 months, had bearing failure and a knock after it was driven with very low oil level. I realized that the major factor that damaged engines was a loss of oil, not how much you change the oil. Another car I had with bearing failure had coolant in the oil once due to head gasket failure.

Another issue to consider is that other things will happen to your vehicle anyway. Most people abandon there cars or sell them long before their engine fails due to not changing oil. Usually the suspension, rust, electronics, even cracked windshields, and a combination of many things cause a car owner to sell or give the car away.  What does this mean? It means you should not change the oil as often because you probably won&#039;t keep the car for 500,000km anyway. 

I&#039;ve seen far too many cars in scrap yards with engines that are still very good. Some of the cars my family has owned has gone to the scrap yard purely because of suspension and rust problems, especially front wheel drive cars with all sorts of suspension/drivetrain issues!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s more important to keep an eye on the oil level than it is to change oil. Most people forget to top up the oil at gas stations when you are filling up. The owners manual usually says for you to check your oil each time you fill up with gas, or similar. I&#8217;d guess 1 out of 450,000 people actually check their oil level at every gas station fill up!</p>
<p>What happens when people don&#8217;t change the oil is that the oil level goes down, especially on older cars. It can go down one half a litre or one litre after 3000-10000 miles.  When this happens significant damage to the engine can occur. Not because the oil is dirty usually, but because the engine is starved. At least this is my experience &#8211; the only engines I&#8217;ve seen go bad are ones that have had coolant in the oil, or engines that have had the oil level go down way too low.</p>
<p>If you check your oil level frequently you can also monitor how dirty the oil is, and you can monitor for head gasket problems (coolant in oil).</p>
<p>In my opinion it is better to monitor the oil level than to change the oil. Also one can smell gas in the oil when checking it frequently.</p>
<p>If you top up the oil, you add new oil to the engine which dilutes the old oil. True that the old oil is still there, and true that if you are diluting the oil that much then you must have an engine in bad shape, but you still are diluting the oil making it cleaner than it was before.</p>
<p>I have had cars in the family that have had oil changes every 3 months regardless of kilometres, and all those cars lasted long (over 200,000km) except for the one that lost half a litre of oil due to a leak out the dipstick seal! This particular car, even though oil was changed every 3 months, had bearing failure and a knock after it was driven with very low oil level. I realized that the major factor that damaged engines was a loss of oil, not how much you change the oil. Another car I had with bearing failure had coolant in the oil once due to head gasket failure.</p>
<p>Another issue to consider is that other things will happen to your vehicle anyway. Most people abandon there cars or sell them long before their engine fails due to not changing oil. Usually the suspension, rust, electronics, even cracked windshields, and a combination of many things cause a car owner to sell or give the car away.  What does this mean? It means you should not change the oil as often because you probably won&#8217;t keep the car for 500,000km anyway. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen far too many cars in scrap yards with engines that are still very good. Some of the cars my family has owned has gone to the scrap yard purely because of suspension and rust problems, especially front wheel drive cars with all sorts of suspension/drivetrain issues!</p>
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		<title>By: john reimann</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/02/22/oilchange-rant/#comment-10908</link>
		<dc:creator>john reimann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 15:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something important is not mentioned in the preceeding posts.    An engine burns gasoline that has some sulphur in it.    So, sulphuric acid accumulates in the lube oil.   The Ph goes acidic and metal engine parts are being eroded microscopicly.     It&#039;s small but significant.   I expect modern oils have additives to combat this problem but if you grossly exceed the oil&#039;s capabilities then your engine is being etched away as you sleep.    Also, in extreme cold climates water condensation will accumulate, become acid etc.    There is also the problem of other particulates in the oil and the fact that cheap oil filters allow too big particles to circulate.      Everything is about economics, so if you expect a reasonable 250,000KM out of a vehicle I&#039;d change the oil every 5000miles.     No more than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something important is not mentioned in the preceeding posts.    An engine burns gasoline that has some sulphur in it.    So, sulphuric acid accumulates in the lube oil.   The Ph goes acidic and metal engine parts are being eroded microscopicly.     It&#8217;s small but significant.   I expect modern oils have additives to combat this problem but if you grossly exceed the oil&#8217;s capabilities then your engine is being etched away as you sleep.    Also, in extreme cold climates water condensation will accumulate, become acid etc.    There is also the problem of other particulates in the oil and the fact that cheap oil filters allow too big particles to circulate.      Everything is about economics, so if you expect a reasonable 250,000KM out of a vehicle I&#8217;d change the oil every 5000miles.     No more than that.</p>
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