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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/01/26/chess-master-and-checkers-players/#comment-5561</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All evil is unspectacular and always human/
it shares your bed and eats at your table.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All evil is unspectacular and always human/<br />
it shares your bed and eats at your table.&#8221;<br />
-W.H. Auden</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Davis</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/01/26/chess-master-and-checkers-players/#comment-5396</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 04:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn, I would be a litle skeptical of the claim that a million lives were saved by the atom bombs. Where is the evidence for that? I would suggest everyone here read Freeman Dyson&#039;s essay in What Have You Changed Your Mind About? He points out that the Emperor&#039;s message to his troops calling for surrender references not the atomic bombs, but the Russian troop presence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn, I would be a litle skeptical of the claim that a million lives were saved by the atom bombs. Where is the evidence for that? I would suggest everyone here read Freeman Dyson&#8217;s essay in What Have You Changed Your Mind About? He points out that the Emperor&#8217;s message to his troops calling for surrender references not the atomic bombs, but the Russian troop presence.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Hesch</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/01/26/chess-master-and-checkers-players/#comment-4916</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Hesch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very enjoyable review, wish I had caught the PBS special. There are of course several books on Oppenheimer, though I cannot compare having only read 109 East Palace by Jennet Conant. It is a brilliant work. and if you ever visit 109 East Palace in Santa Fe, you will be in proximity of several fabulous New Mexican resturants. I know nothing else.
j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very enjoyable review, wish I had caught the PBS special. There are of course several books on Oppenheimer, though I cannot compare having only read 109 East Palace by Jennet Conant. It is a brilliant work. and if you ever visit 109 East Palace in Santa Fe, you will be in proximity of several fabulous New Mexican resturants. I know nothing else.<br />
j</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Brock</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/01/26/chess-master-and-checkers-players/#comment-4785</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See this: http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/2143.html

His close association with active communists, and a post-cold war revelation (a code name for a spy that was in all probability a reference to Oppenheimer?) lead me to believe that he was leaking information to the soviets. Dr. Shermer&#039;s love affair with Oppies brainpower may have caused him to overlook serious problems with the man&#039;s patriotism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See this: <a href="http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/2143.html" rel="nofollow">http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/2143.html</a></p>
<p>His close association with active communists, and a post-cold war revelation (a code name for a spy that was in all probability a reference to Oppenheimer?) lead me to believe that he was leaking information to the soviets. Dr. Shermer&#8217;s love affair with Oppies brainpower may have caused him to overlook serious problems with the man&#8217;s patriotism.</p>
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		<title>By: LJM</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/01/26/chess-master-and-checkers-players/#comment-4264</link>
		<dc:creator>LJM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Didn’t post-thaw investigation reveal that he was a Soviet spy?&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not aware of any evidence to support this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Didn’t post-thaw investigation reveal that he was a Soviet spy?</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not aware of any evidence to support this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Brock</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/01/26/chess-master-and-checkers-players/#comment-3912</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We seem not to bring to bear all of the information that we have regarding Oppenheimer. Didn&#039;t post-thaw investigation reveal that he was a Soviet spy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We seem not to bring to bear all of the information that we have regarding Oppenheimer. Didn&#8217;t post-thaw investigation reveal that he was a Soviet spy?</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/01/26/chess-master-and-checkers-players/#comment-3847</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freeman Dyson changed his mind about this.
http://www.edge.org/q2008/q08_2.html#dysonf

&quot;I changed my mind about an important historical question: did the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki bring World War Two to an end? Until this year I used to say, perhaps. Now, because of new facts, I say no. This question is important, because the myth of the nuclear bombs bringing the war to an end is widely believed.&quot;

The theory is that Japan surrendered because the Soviets invaded Manchuria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freeman Dyson changed his mind about this.<br />
<a href="http://www.edge.org/q2008/q08_2.html#dysonf" rel="nofollow">http://www.edge.org/q2008/q08_2.html#dysonf</a></p>
<p>&#8220;I changed my mind about an important historical question: did the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki bring World War Two to an end? Until this year I used to say, perhaps. Now, because of new facts, I say no. This question is important, because the myth of the nuclear bombs bringing the war to an end is widely believed.&#8221;</p>
<p>The theory is that Japan surrendered because the Soviets invaded Manchuria.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Donovan</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/01/26/chess-master-and-checkers-players/#comment-3842</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this forum of skeptics, who attempt to govern their views by reason, I&#039;d expect more commentary on the morality of nuclear weapons. 

My two cents. Nuclear weapons have no inherent moral properties. Their invention was inevitable at the time Oppenheimer was involved, so the U.S. seems morally justified in developing them ahead of its enemies, the Nazis. Using the weapon against the Japanese is projected to have saved approximately 1 million U.S. soldiers lives, so that seems to have a solid moral basis. Remember, the Japanese leadership knew they were facing inevitable defeat and had the option to surrender in light of this knowledge. The fact that they didn&#039;t surrender after the first bombing tells volumes about the moral failings of Japans leadership at the time. One could further argue that the development of a superior nuclear arsenal by the U.S. led to a long period of relative peace in the world compared to the one hundred years that led up to the nuclear age. 

Oppenheimer seems to have had idealistic, pacifistic views of the world which don&#039;t comport with the current organization of the world. Ethicists can quite easily make a moral case for war, and having the appropriate weapons to defend oneself or to eliminate an enemy in a just war seems to again be a valid moral choice. Those who can&#039;t countenance this line of reasoning simply do not understand the geo-political realities of the world we live in. Whether this willful ignorance of the realties we face is in itself moral I&#039;ll leave to you all to consider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this forum of skeptics, who attempt to govern their views by reason, I&#8217;d expect more commentary on the morality of nuclear weapons. </p>
<p>My two cents. Nuclear weapons have no inherent moral properties. Their invention was inevitable at the time Oppenheimer was involved, so the U.S. seems morally justified in developing them ahead of its enemies, the Nazis. Using the weapon against the Japanese is projected to have saved approximately 1 million U.S. soldiers lives, so that seems to have a solid moral basis. Remember, the Japanese leadership knew they were facing inevitable defeat and had the option to surrender in light of this knowledge. The fact that they didn&#8217;t surrender after the first bombing tells volumes about the moral failings of Japans leadership at the time. One could further argue that the development of a superior nuclear arsenal by the U.S. led to a long period of relative peace in the world compared to the one hundred years that led up to the nuclear age. </p>
<p>Oppenheimer seems to have had idealistic, pacifistic views of the world which don&#8217;t comport with the current organization of the world. Ethicists can quite easily make a moral case for war, and having the appropriate weapons to defend oneself or to eliminate an enemy in a just war seems to again be a valid moral choice. Those who can&#8217;t countenance this line of reasoning simply do not understand the geo-political realities of the world we live in. Whether this willful ignorance of the realties we face is in itself moral I&#8217;ll leave to you all to consider.</p>
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		<title>By: Clancy Newman</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/01/26/chess-master-and-checkers-players/#comment-3417</link>
		<dc:creator>Clancy Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a disappointment.  The program was on Jan 26, I received the announcement on Jan 28.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a disappointment.  The program was on Jan 26, I received the announcement on Jan 28.</p>
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		<title>By: William Smith</title>
		<link>http://skepticblog.org/2009/01/26/chess-master-and-checkers-players/#comment-3227</link>
		<dc:creator>William Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an awkward existence Oppy must have had.  On the one hand he was well read, and by accounts very humanitarian.  On the other, he helped produce the most devastating weapon know to date.  Not surprising that he needed to invoke the additional hands of Vishnu to contemplate the consequences for surely the two aspects can not balance.  If he considered karma, even as a personal way to balance his impact on others, there is no amount of activity - no amount of breathless diligence - that would set back the scales he&#039;d tipped.

And how ironic that so many intellectuals who are perhaps capable of great humanitarian ideals don&#039;t see the obvious:  Humanity is no more adept at calculus and theoretical physics than it is at altruism and peaceful co-existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an awkward existence Oppy must have had.  On the one hand he was well read, and by accounts very humanitarian.  On the other, he helped produce the most devastating weapon know to date.  Not surprising that he needed to invoke the additional hands of Vishnu to contemplate the consequences for surely the two aspects can not balance.  If he considered karma, even as a personal way to balance his impact on others, there is no amount of activity &#8211; no amount of breathless diligence &#8211; that would set back the scales he&#8217;d tipped.</p>
<p>And how ironic that so many intellectuals who are perhaps capable of great humanitarian ideals don&#8217;t see the obvious:  Humanity is no more adept at calculus and theoretical physics than it is at altruism and peaceful co-existence.</p>
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